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Forking Fingers at a Witch…


… and look what she did,  the witch, after you left, forking fingers at her…

much more than simply making your hair fly around!

PS: for all the readers, who don;t know what this is about, please read the posts Really Big Rocks and Pewsey White Horse and the comment thread there…


February 5, 2009 - Posted by | Art


  1. By heck that’s bloomin’ brilliant!!!
    She even managed to turn back time.
    I rock! *geddit*?

    that really made me laugh….

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  2. I should also explain that a tiny hidden hand gesture of raising forefinger and little finger is an ancient counter curse against the Evil Eye and is found in many, many cultures. Make sure the recipient doesn’t see you do it, but it will bounce back a curse as sure as Fatima’s hand, or a star of David, or crucifix, etc etc, shades of Benny here in the first Mummy movie, trying ALL the amulets in the hope one will work against the still crumbly Imhotep.
    It’s a bit like raising a shield.
    Nicely photoshopped Miki. And very kind of you to raise a smile here!!

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  3. Photoshop? How dare you, Viv! Real Witchcraft!
    But of it made you laugh, then it does not matter how we call it, does it?
    By the way the Witch forgot to curse away a little part of your foot, have you noticed? Still hanging around in the sand there, alone…

    I often saw Kevin make the gesture you describe… I had no idea what it meant. He makes is very often when we look at a football match involving his home town Derby… yesterday evening for example… so, you mean there will be a curse back?

    Comment by Miki | February 5, 2009

  4. There is a similar gesture that is meant to mimic horns and is usd these days as a good luck sign, but in the past was used as a signal that a man was a cuckold(meaning that his wife was unfaithful to him)
    These gestures have been around a long long time and have switched meaning a few times.
    In Kev’s case, he is making a sign for The Rams, the nickname of Derby county football club and nothing more sinister than that… maybe…

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  5. does that make me footloose and fancy free in my new life as a rock sculpture?

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  6. Well, Kevin certainly does not mean the Good luck sign, as he normally does it to the Rams’ Enemies! I believe he really means a curse…
    Now you have to explain me the phrase
    “nothing more sinister than that… maybe…”
    What is sinister: The Rams, The Football Club, Derby, the fact of using a course in football? And why maybe?

    Comment by Miki | February 5, 2009

  7. I dunno!
    Footie fans are beyond me, after all it’s only a game!
    I thought it was a sign for The rams but obviously I am wrong.
    The sign is usually used only in defense, in my experience though, which may be why used offensively it rarely works…

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  8. When you look at the fans in a football stadium when their team makes a goal, you will understand, Viv, that it is really much more than a game. I saw yesterday the Derby fans acclaiming their winning team, and this was JOY in its most natural form, beyond any social, moral, ethical, etc. norm. This was for me wonderful to see and I felt so happy with them and for them!!! Nothing sinister there, so much more the contrary!

    I believe that it is very important to be able to understand what football can make with people to be able to understand the truth of human nature.
    i am certainly what most people would call an intellectual, but truly, Viv, to see your team win is happiness beyond words, and to see it lose, is an emotional nightmare! I used to have the same feeling following the Ryders Cup in Golf… the feelings I had were extreme…

    Comment by Miki | February 5, 2009

  9. In all honesty, I have never felt like that and I have been to matches of football and other games. I grew up in a sporting family and it never once made that feeling for me. Perhaps I am not human, then.
    On the odd occasion when I have played a sport(I played hockey for my school) I have felt a mild sense of satisfaction if we won, but never more than that. It’s beyond me, I think, to feel like that. Perhaps I am just too cold inside to be passionate about something I cannot connect with at all. My loss, I suspect.

    Comment by viv66 | February 5, 2009

  10. I don’t believe you are very different here from other people in this point: nobody gets passionate about something he/she can’t connect with.

    The point is somewhere else. I for example don’t connect especially with football, but I totally connect with something more abstract and deeper which I see realised in football (for example). This something has to do with fight and teamwork and with joining strengths and energies to fight towards a common goal. When I see these guys really fighting together to get the ball in the net, this can move me to tears.

    I have other examples: when I was competing in golf, I had no really motivation to win when I was playing for myself. But as soon as I was playing in a team, my eager and motivation were immense, and I always tried to give the most out of me to make my team win. I just felt an incredible happiness when I had a great shot for my team.

    Another example: I would much more prefer to fight with all of you here, in Cafe Crem, to reach our common goals and see our dreams realised than to fight alone for my own goals and dreams.
    And if I had to give up a blog, I would without one moment of hesitation give up my own blog, and this although it brings me many clients and other professional satisfactions. But the inner joy is nothing compared with the joy I feel when people here work together on a project and make something wonderful out of it. The collaborative works of Kevin with Susan, Shelley and Michael have fulfilled me with a joy which I never feel when I have a personal success.

    You are certainly human, Viv, but perhaps you are simply „a lonely rider“? And you can’t feel the joy of team work. Just the first idea which comes to my mind…

    But generally I find people should stop considering football like idiots running beyond a ball and trying to put it in a net. Football is in its essence much more than that, and much nobler!

    Comment by Miki | February 5, 2009

  11. I think the problem with how football is viewed by people who don’t enjoy it, is the fact that that view is coloured by the uglier aspects of the game, such as the minority of fans intent on trouble, the lavish and excessive lifestyle of some of the players, and the general money madness that has affected the game. But the game itself, in its purest form, is an escape for the masses, the Saturday afternoon magic that lifted people from the mundane day to day of their working lives and gave them something to cheer, something to to share. I think the need for this is deeply rooted in the Psyche. I even believe that my hometown of Derby would never have been made a city in the Queen’s jubilee year, were it not for Brain Clough’s success with the football team, giving the town a higher profile throughout the UK and Europe. More importantly, it was the one thing I shared with my Father as a boy, once a week, every week. And that is priceless.
    How did we get on to football again? 🙂

    Comment by kevmoore | February 5, 2009

  12. Bless you both!
    I have felt my entire life disconnected (not by choice because believe me I have truly tried) from the rest of humanity, in every team activity, every community project, every worship meeting, every social event, every dance, every disco, every competition. All the high and low moments of our human society, I have not been able to be a part of. I have been the watcher in the wings, disconnected. I have tried and tried to feel what others seem to feel and I have failed. I made a decision that it was pointless to try anymore, and so spare myself the inner humiliation.
    I don’t know if either of you are familiar with Brave New World, by Aldous Huxely? The main character Bernard experiences much the same disconnection from the rest of his social group but in a society where being a loner is a threat to society, he hides it and fakes the feeling. I will not do that any more.

    Comment by viv66 | February 6, 2009

  13. Good morning Viv!
    Thanks for the explanation, I understand now better. I totally agree with you that you should not fake any feeling or connection which you don’t have.
    You are also right that normally loners are considered as a threat to society, but personally I don’t consider them like that, I in fact like loners! And I certainly don’t see you as a threat! I am deeply happy about your presence among us, connected or not!

    Comment by Miki | February 6, 2009

  14. I concur with Miki’s comment 13. to some extend.

    I also concur with Paulo Coelho. I wrote about Paulo Coelho’s post on Complete Solitude today and I think you will find his views are quite different.

    He talks about connecting with humanity in his argument here: with a link back to his two part post.

    Comment by Michael Pokocky | February 8, 2009

  15. hey miki i am getting my comments put into SPAM for this post and I am the one who posted 14 above so delete that and put in my post from the SPAM box. LOL __ michael

    Comment by Michael Pokocky | February 8, 2009

  16. I concur with Miki’s comment 13. to some extend.

    I also concur with Paulo Coelho. I wrote about Paulo Coelho’s post on Complete Solitude today and I think you will find his views are quite different.

    He talks about connecting with humanity in his argument here: Mike on the road, with a link back to his two part post.

    Comment by Michael Pokocky | February 8, 2009

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