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Vanessa Paradis – Pourtant+

There a video of one of my favorite artists. She represents independence and freedom, strength and grace. Oh, this is just a post to uplift the mood a notch to celebrate our essence our duality and our unique voices.Kindest /michael

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March 18, 2008 - Posted by | Art, culture, life, Music, video, women | , ,

15 Comments »

  1. ‘She stoles him from me, my precious’

    I suppose though shes a good enough singer, and she has class and sophistication, so Depp’s taste aint all that bad.. siiigh.. could’ve been me!
    I used to love her old song ‘Je la taxi’ when I was very small. (YES! Taking a dig at her age makes me feel great!)

    Comment by supersizeme | March 19, 2008

  2. @ Supe
    Unfortunately for you Vanessa is not old enough to be in love trouble because of her age, on the contrary I would say! Nowadays a 36 years old woman can still be extremely attractive, for all men, the young and the old ones! And especially for Johnny, and Georges!
    But concerning her talent, I must disagree with you and with Michael here. Especially in THIS video I find her voice awful, in my opinion she has crossed a border, exaggerating too much what made her famous, this little girl voice. It might have been ok and charming when she was 15 years old, like Supe (hi hi hi hi, my dig back!), but even then it was much more harmonious and fresh. Here I really can’t hear it without tapping my ears.
    I guess in most of the cases men who love that kind of stuff just fancy her, especially the femme-enfant in her. Which is great… I would much more prefer femmes-enfants too if I was a male!
    Class and sophistication? I don’t agree either, but this is surely a question of taste. For me she is extremely unnatural when she sings, yes, sophisticated in a negative sense, simply exaggerating everything, a kind of caricature of herself. At least in this video. This is not class for me.

    @Michael
    Sorry for this hard critic of one of your favourite artists!
    I would like to know though why you say that she represents independence, freedom and strength. Grace I understand and kind of agree, but the rest? She was discovered as she was 8 years old and became world famous when she was only 14 years old. I really can’t imagine that there has been any time and occasion left for freedom and independence in her life! I would even suspect that she is now a prisoner of her little girl voice!
    But I might be wrong, of course, I don’t really know her. Please teach me better if I am wrong.

    Comment by Miki | March 19, 2008

  3. @ Miki.
    A critic Never apologizes.
    Independence | I will try here to be as objective as possible to answer your question and although I arrived at my initial post spontaneously I refer to links in this article to elaborate.

    SHE is independent simply because her life http://tinyurl.com/23f2ue illustrates an imposed solitude that meets with the definition I use , {free from external control and constraint; “an independent mind”; “a series of independent judgments”; “fiercely independent individualism”} from http://www.wordreference.com/definition/independent.

    SHE is free by virtue of having lived a life of solitude at such a young age due to the demands imposed on her time, and her emotional state of mind, at both the personal and public levels. This intense demand required her repeatedly to make choices and thus she learned to “think for herself” while maintaining some sense of normalcy in her young life, while developing the free thinking mind and her ability to think for herself. This is what differentiates the effects of intensity of solitude between a normal person and someone who is on the world stage. And the results can be both devastatingly negative or wonderfully liberating for such a person as Vanessa Paradis.

    SHE is strong by virtue of having made her choices by an ever increasing independent mind free from outside influences.

    The flaw in your assertion.”I really can’t imagine that there has been any time and occasion left for freedom and independence in her life! I would even suspect that she is now a prisoner of her little girl voice!,” is in, not taking into account the idea of the immense solitude that comes with fame and celebrity. This solitude is where there is YOU and THE REST. When it just you and the rest it is very difficult for an adult let alone a child to learn how to “Think for Oneself.”

    Kindest,
    Michael

    Comment by Michael | March 19, 2008

  4. Thank you for the great explanation and the links.

    I know a lot about solitude myself… this is exactly what you get when you don’t want to give up your independence!

    I am not sure if fame automatically means solitude… I know that it happens most of the time, but I don’t believe that it must be. I really believe that there exist famous people who are not solitary.
    Vanessa self answers to the question if she believes that it is possible to have true friends in the world she lives in:
    “I know it’s possible because I have some. I know I can count on them, they’ve proven it to me. And once my friend, always my friend.”

    Concerning her independence, it is for me difficult to imagine an 8 years old child able to make real decisions for herself, or even a 14 years old child.

    But as I already said, I don’t know her, neither have I found any info able to convince me if she really was that wise child…

    And I still think that she should adapt her voice to the present… she sounds like some actresses look like when they try to look much much younger…but perhaps is this video old?

    But at the end, as long as there are many people liking what she does, and it is the case, she deserves respect. She has MY respect too.

    Comment by Miki | March 19, 2008

  5. To add to this Miki I am not saying her independence was gained at the beginning of her childhood introduction to the world stage, but rather it was this world stage that forces one to develop a sensitivity to the incredible pressures and stress a life lived like this can do to a person.
    The fact she made a good life for herself and from all news sources you don’t ever read about her being a bad mother, it is here that the true strength of her character shines.

    Comment by Michael | March 19, 2008

  6. Oh One more thing just came to me.

    Once we start labeling a person in your mind you become desensitized to who that person really is.

    You have put the label there between you and the person and lose the ability to really know who that person really is.

    This labeling or naming is at the core root of every interaction we have with others in our daily lives, and this I believe is because of the egos demand to be superior, to be right, and so on.

    I am currently participating in a world wide web exclusive webcast called A New Earth. If you think you know who you are, or don’t, or wonder about what the ego really is then this is for you.

    It’s available to watch live every Monday night or you can watch the recorded version that is posted. I am into my fourth week now and what I thought I knew about many things have been shaken to the point where I find myself saying, I don’t know who I am! But somehow as I go along I am fine with that and I am one who normally does not find these kinds of books and shows useful, but I gave it an honest try and guess what, it is really opening my mind to a lot of things.

    One thing I found about myself is I was a complainer and always had to be right, but now I have learned it is good to let go of this type of thinking.

    I recommend this highly and its ironic how a song brought the conversation to this.

    Here’s the link: http://www.oprah.com/obc_classic/webcast/archive/archive_watchnow.jsp

    Comment by Michael | March 19, 2008

  7. You are surely right Michael, and for myself I totally hate to put labels on persons. Of course like everybody i cannot help doing that but i always pay a deep attention to always “actualise” these labels, according to the new informations I get about these people.
    By the way most of the people don’t like it all when I do that. They much more prefer when we have an opinion about somebody, good or bad, and when we never change it, whatever these persons do!! This attitude is so dangerous!

    Comment by Miki | March 19, 2008

  8. Hmmm….labels and stereotypes are tricky things. They can close our minds to the wholeness of a person. But they can also be very useful tools, to help us try to understand the world around us. It is very scary for me to enter a room full of strangers. But if I can start to understand them as being of a certain type, I can better understand how to communicate with them. And then, as Miki says, make revisions as I receive more information. There is a lot to be said about first impressions, though. It is very hard to change a person’s first impression.

    Comment by shelleymhouse | March 20, 2008

  9. This is a very wise comment, Shelley and I totally agree with you.
    Labels an stereotypes are very dangerous, but useful too, and even necessary to go through the world. I agree that they it is very difficult to get rid of the first impressions (at least when the first impression was bad… it is much easier to get rid of a good impression, isn’t it? 🙂 ), even when one gets very contrary inputs then. When the first impression was bad, one always tends to get back to it, we then tend to put more weight on the perception of negative details and automatically go back to the first bad impression, then.
    According to my experience, I must say though that the first impression is a very good approximation and is seldom wrong, when you are a good psychologist.
    Like you, Shelley, I am scared to enter a room full of strangers. I guess your method is a good one and I will try it.

    Comment by Miki | March 20, 2008

  10. Food for thought,

    “When we first meet people, our natural inclination is to size them up–to create an immediate impression of their abilities and liabilities. Unfortunately, we often hold on to these vague and hasty conclusions and never revise them. This means we can easily overlook the talents of people we have written off based on superficial information. Many people know how to search for the overlooked value when they are buying something, but there is also great potential for overlooked value in the people around you.”

    Quote From:
    100 Simple Secrets of Successful People, The
    What Scientists Have Learned and How You Can Use It
    by David Niven

    Bonus+ This is what I was getting at in labeling people. Does this change the conversation and is there value now that the premise is clearer?

    /michael

    Comment by Michael | March 21, 2008

  11. Labelling people is something that pervades our society. Certainly, in the music industry the urge to put artists in little boxes is almost primal. This means that genuine talents that can encompass a range of styles often fall by the wayside, while monotonous, repetitive factory formula fodder thrive. Regarding the labelling of individuals, I used to take a perverse delight in seeing the faces of little old ladies, as I stood aside and opened doors for them (as I have been brought up to do) as they looked up in consternation at the long haired-leather studded jacketed 6′ 2″ streak of chivalry that stood before them! I’m sure they expected to be mugged! Interestingly, earlier in m y life, constantly being refused entry to, or ejected from nightclubs for wearing jeans. I would ruminate upon the efficacy of their policy as I observed be-suited “smart” people kicking the living sh#t out of each other after being similarly ejected. In all my attendances of rock concerts, I never saw any trouble ever. It was always the smarmy smart set with their tailored suits and short hair that wanted to cause damage to their fellow man. How’s that for stereotyping? 🙂

    Comment by kevmoore | March 24, 2008

  12. Vanessa Paradis is great and fantastic.
    Did you see her newest video…just released
    titled “L’Incendie” = Fire
    You can find it in my blog, tubeyou and msn.
    The word is it was directed by JOhnny Depp and he is the shadow man in it.
    whispery 🙂

    Comment by whispery | March 29, 2008

  13. Aah well.. She’s still better than any of the Hollywoodian’s, he’s not a run-of-the-mill guy and he didn’t pick himself a run-of-the-mill girl. Coool!

    Comment by supersizeme | April 1, 2008

  14. Loved your comment Miki.. I love your observations, You’re right y’know!
    Thing is with someone like Johnny Depp women would have moulded themsleves and become whatever he wanted them to be, completely clingy and lacking personality (remember Kate Moss’s clinginess) .. it cant be helped when a girls in love I suppose, but with Vanessa she had a personality as strong and potent as his, so it seems less a disasterous union and more harmonious.

    Miki, you’re French, you can see through any exaggerations or falsness here, whereas to the non-French it seems a novelty.

    Comment by supersizeme | April 1, 2008

  15. Now here she is with her new album that won the Top Award in France:
    Vanessa Paradis – L’incendie

    Comment by Michael | April 1, 2008


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